Romily Broad on Twitter has just released these new features to the Pro Clubs mode of FIFA 12.
The information comes after a lot of unrest from hardcore Pro Clubs fans at the lack of new features and attention the FIFA 12 Pro Clubs has received.
New FIFA 12 Pro Clubs Features
- Friends records has a dedicated screen.
- More player stats in Clubs for Midfielders and Defenders.
- New My Pro menu in Clubs for ease access to editing your Pro and viewing accomplishments.
- Top speed for small Pro’s has been dialled back a touch.
- Added some long term, tough to get accomplishments Virtual Pro accomplishments for the hardcore fans out there.
- Tuned unlocks so that the cooler items are obtainable by better players (shoes, gear, etc.)
- Tuned some of the accomplishments and added a few new ones around lay off passes.
- Better reskinned hub screen. Bigger area.
- Tuned matchmaking to prevent games between clubs too far apart.
So what do you think??? Are you happy with the changes or did you expect more? Let us know…
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Hello! I’d like to see custom kits introduced, if not atleast let us be able to set player numbers so that we can wear our own personal numbers for matches! (I’d wear number 12)
Bring back multiple match rooms.
How about a friends league? Abit like the leagues on the normal game.
Finally have the option to search for people without an any.
Excellent ideas!
Custom Kits is a great idea and I think that it’s something that will get introduced eventually. (If you have EA Season Ticket or buy the DLC you can upload logo’s etc for UT in Creation Centre this year so it’s bound to be on the cards for Pro Clubs).
Jury’s still out on multiple match rooms. I think they’re a good idea but can be abused by boosting teams…
The ability to arrange you own custom tournaments would be a huge benefit for Clubs and communities like http://fvpa.co.uk.
And I’d be a big advocate at being able to avoid teams with no Any – if I wanted to play against the computer I’d just play Career Mode…
On clubs there shouldn’t be an any! It’s virtual pro!!!! If u want to play any play head to head!!!!!
utter nonsense
but yeah , just let the cpu do all the donkeywork as you guys aren’t capable of defending against virtual pros
What so you can just press A so the comp boots it up to you?! complete and utter crap
anys are crap to use the need to take it off
Any is that person that doesnt like to pass the ball to other players. Thier for have no friends to play with. The person that plays any only wants to pass to thier V.P. to get thier stats up.
No any in pro ranked match Please. it messes up scouting for good players.
No any in Club Matches Please. Its Virtual Pro. Not everybody else.
time limit on pro rank macthes to pic.a position. and if u dont pick a position and time is up. your out and look for a new game.
i can play pro ranked matches on clubs but it wont let me join a friends club, it says you cannot access this feature due to your online -preferences. what do i have to change to join a club?
i have the same problem how do u get rid off it and be able to join a club or request :(
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I too want to be able to play with/against my friends online in the virtual pro realm without joining a club together. Are they too afraid of groups boosting as to not allow this?
Also, why have part of my overall accomplishments include things that are from a position I don’ play? I.E. if I’m a forward, why should my overall rating take a hit from not having accomplished the goalie accomplishments? lol
Sounds good to me, servers were my main concern and I won’t be happy until I see them up and running in clubs mode correctly.
“Tuned matchmaking to prevent games between clubs too far apart”
What do they mean by this?
Does it mean USA or UK won’t match up vs Asian Teams etc. or USA won’t match up with UK ?
OR
Are they referring to how many club points that the 2 clubs that matchup have? So like we won’t see a 7k club matchup with a 1k club?
The second one. :)
At the moment teams at the top are points searching because if they play a team with less than around 6000 points and win, they get nothing. However if they lose they stand to lose around 70 points so there’s really no point playing these games.
Unfortunately, that means a lot more sitting around in the dressing room for everyone which is something EA are trying to avoid.
Thanks for the reply! Lots of people were worried about that, take care m8
everyone wants the ability to pick a kit number when you join a club and keep it for every match no mater what position you play i would pick number 10 for winger/ second forward.
also maybe update the boots once a while.
Thanks
There’s no ability to pick a kit number in FIFA 12 I’m afraid although it’s something that they’re looking into for FIFA 13 (if you can wait that long…;))
I would like the captains armband to show up in the game on the correct players arm. Im captain but in the game it goes onto one of the cpu players arms.
Picking a kit number would be good too yes. Just get the servers sorted and il be most happy though.
I would like ea to take out the ability to play with an any completely. It would encourage more people to try and recruit 11 players etc. At the moment most play with 3 players 1 of which plays with any which is an adavntage compared to teams trying to play with more players.
Make the human goalkeepers not be able to save from stupid angles.
Maybe a substitute bench would be good too.
Defo allow 1 pause per half per team if they need to make slight tactical changes.
It’ll be interesting to see what the manual keepers are like on FIFA 12. I haven’t had the chance to test them out yet.
The subs bench is a great idea – at the moment it’s difficult for teams to mix it up if plan A isn’t going their way.
The pause for tactics is also a good idea in theory but it does have potential to be abused…
NO! Playing against people who don’t have an any is ridiculous!!! People completely abuse this, put 5 at the back, play ultra defensive then hammer A until the computer plays an unrealistic ball over everyone.
Man up and rotate your any.
That’s rubbish, the CPU play crap balls most of the time and the second you have an any the players run twice as fast and keep up with anyone but a stupidly fast midget. Whole point of be a pro type matches is to control only your pro, otherwise it’s online team play not pro clubs/pro ranked match.
Can we make a sub! player that came late to the game can we make it to where they can be subed in? limit 3
Hi, Love pro clubs and have a very good team. But when my team isnt online I join my other friends club for a few games. Thats ok but its a big fuss leaving the club the requesting to sign again, plus I loose all my stats for my main club (e.g win %). Is it atall possible to have some sort of “loan system” where you join another club but dont record any stats for it. Prehams a time or game limit could be used. After say 5 games, you return to your original club then all you have to do is request a loan. Just an idea…
It’s a great idea and I’ve heard this complaint a lot from Pro Clubs players.
Unfortunately I don’t think that a loan system will be in FIFA 12 – all the emphasis has been on fixing bugs – but I’ll definitely add it to the list of recommendations for FIFA 13.
Great improvements, but it still needs some work if you tell me.
If you look at Fifa 11 clubs some huge factors are obviesly there:
1: VP speed. When your VP reaches a amount of speed the AI bots you play with cant do ANYTHING about it. Its way to overpowered, the AI really needs to get some better stats or a “stats improvemt system” where they get better stats overtime.
2: The AI stats are way to bad to keep up with the VP’s they stand out way to much with heading jumping strength speed etc etc its way to unbalanced and it needs to be changed..
3: Unbalanced matches, but I see thats fixed so lets hope for the best.
4: Quits, some people quit in the 6-20th min when they are 2-0 3-0 behind and and that really messes up the grade of the player expample if you play ST and you did not score or only scored 1 time you will end the match with a 6 or 7.
5: Player market ? That would be a GREAT new features in 12. Be able to buy AI (or real) players and select your own team. Its really annoying to have random people every match and you dont know who can give a good pass and who does not. The UT system in this would be great.
Could go on a while.. but I’ll leave it to this.
Got over 800+ games in VP so this are some of the heavy points to me (and others).
Hope to see your reply!
Some good points Seth.
The good news for teams that don’t play with 11 men is that the gap between the AI and the Virtual Pros has been lessened considerably.
It won’t be as easy to outpace or out muscle the AI in FIFA 12.
I agree that teams on similar points matching up is a great thing. I’m sick of spending half my night in the dressing room waiting to match up with someone that won’t back out…
The team quitting thing is annoying – as was disconnecting from the EA Servers and getting a 3 rating! Hopefully this will be less of a problem this year with better servers and the fact that you’re playing clubs on similar points should mean that if you’ve got good stats hopefully you’ll be playing at a level where teams don’t back out. (Fingers crossed)
If you haven’t already, check out https://ultimatefifa.com/?p=3755 for some good news for Pro Clubs.
Meant to say to that the player market is an interesting theory but it’s not going to happen in Clubs I don’t think.
EA are trying to get 11 v 11 manual players so won’t spend time on an AI transfer system.
They’ll keep all that for Ultimate Team I’d have thought.
Nice idea though.
Hey i’m wondering if the pro leaderboard will be changed? and is there New boots? i had 4500 goals “( were some has 200 and manage to get top 10
I think that soon as the 5th minute of game has been played the opposing team should not be able to back out, its stupid I’m a ranked ST on FIFA 11 (THFC Nani l 17) I was 17th but dropped to 25th because the other teams keep going in the first half, annoying or what!!
I also play any so glad to hear about the improvement in the Al side of things.
However, I’d like to see what FIFA 13 is like more than FIFA 12 to be honest as I don’t think EA have done enough from what I have heard.
I know what you mean – it’s been difficult to maintain a high rating this year when teams back out and it leaves you with a 6. Worse is when you get disconnected and it gives you a 3! It really gives your rating a knock.
One thing that could be done to combat it is knock off 5% off everybody’s lowest ratings before calculating your average. This would hopefully get rid of any anomolies and be fairer across the board.
(That’s still a great achievement on the leaderboards though matey!!!)
We all want to be able to choose sqaud numbers!!
Also what abou When players from the team are not online there pro can still play in the games??
And get rid of the delay/lag, so awfull!!!
I know it wont happen but I wish that having a any would be compulsory. I like to play against people not the computer.
The computer players seem to have a strength and speed boost compared to when you play as any and also can balatanly foul you without conceding a free kick.
Too many people are relying on the computer to be any and using ultra defensive tactics with 5 defenders and 2 defensive mids in there formation.
If we wanted to play against the computer we would play practice matches.
Also after playing the demo I feel that the tactical defending aspect of the game will make it so everyone will be relying on the computer to be their defenders/any.
I know what you mean. It’s much better playing against human players and I agree that people will probably rely on the AI more rather than master the new tactical defending.
The best thing to do if you want to avoid playing against the AI is play 11 man clubs. There’s hundreds of clubs and thousands of players at http://www.fvpa.co.uk if you’re looking to start or join an 11 man club for FIFA 12.
Its better to play one player if your in a pro club with your mates as you all get a change to play and you ent got an any passing it round all the time I realy dont like people playing any
hi i think it is a great game but they need to sort the pro club servers out i have sat there 20 mins tryin sumtimes im gona be fumin if its the same on fifa 12 n people need to pass more lol ty
I HATE ANY.
I just played the FIFA12 demo and I’m loving it.But When I think about people playing ANY against my 3-6 players I lose interest.
And the pro club AI Goalkeepers are idiots.
They turnover on little Goal kick.
They Suck at diving. Not once in FIFA11 has my keeper gotten lucky and saved a penalty.
They have late reactions. I noticed the ball slowly rolling to the net and my gk dove either after the goal or dove the wrong way.
You’re an idiot. I bet you play 5-2-1-2 and ultra defensive. Clubs who play no any should only play clubs who play no any, then you’ll realise you’re all ruining the game.
i love pro clubs but the lag on fifa 11 was really bad i hope this is sorted for fifa 12 :)
Ea need to sort out delayed lag on fifa 12 pro clubs its not fair on you when you run the ball out of play because its late they also need to sort out the invinsible goalkeepers there just impossible to score past and when you do its luck overall i enjoy clubs its just the minor problems that annoy me:0
the lag is whoever hosting the game that y they need dedicated servers i no they come wid there own probs but gota be better than not getin a game or it might be ur connection peeps coz i dont get lag well sometimes not often come on fifa 12
But if I wanted to play against a bloke as any and a striker I would play head to head, works both ways….
Then why dont you play pro ranked match of pro career mode?
Bill I understand ur point, but I agree with jack, I think it would be a great idea if people that played as any could enter a match against other teams that play as any and teams that play as just their vp could play against other teams in the same boat, it’s just I enjoy playing with my pro and with mates on the same team so pro ranked match and career mode is no good, and enjoy actually being my pro (making my own runs and finding space etc) u can’t do that as any, plus the ai players are not enjoyable to play with whatsoever which I’m sure u can understand
they should add custom kits, custom badges and you should be able to name your bot players so it feals more like a full team! they should also add bot progession in so when your points go up your bot slightly improve aswell so at higher levels bots will be much betetr at running ect.
you should not be able to play as any on pro clubs. and a lot of people would agree with me .
Who would agree with you? The people you play with?! I wouldnt have a problem playing against no any if they let the comp pass the ball between each other, did’nt have 5-2-1-2 ultra defensive, do you think thats realistic?! NO ANY – NO SKILL
i agree with him, people that use any ANY is a noob, anyone is better then the AI, its called be a pro not be an ANY if people want to use an any i suggest they just play normal online team play
i have fell in love with the pro clubs at the beggining but no more. modders and glitchers out there ruined any sort of fair competition, the mere fact that EA is fixing the problems from 11 is just another bit of evidence that they don’t give a damn about the virtual pro. if they did they would have fixed the bugs on 11 so for 12 we are getting what we should of had in 11. there are so many things missing from clubs.
1. substitutions!
2. realitic pros with slider edits rather than height fixed to speed (cristiano ronaldo is 6ft 3″ and one of the fastest players around but in virtual pro world 6ft 3″ = slow)
3. when a team quits out you should be able to finish the match with the computer controlling the opposition.
4. kit editor
5. smarter team AI if you choose not control any.
6. there are a lot of clubs that have only two players and the leveling of the club as a whole (the star system)sucks so how about the club having to complete achievements to make them better rather than the basic 5 levels
7. don’t give modders the option, have all the data for the VPs on the disc rather than as a save file that can be manipulated.
8. set and keep the formation you want in pro clubs so you don’t have to change it every game you play!
9. consistent referees, looks like a foul ? no but then you do an identical tackle on your opposition and freekick!
10.decent referees, ones that don’t give free kicks away for nothing.
11. the ability to leave the ball if your in an offside position
12. offside regognition, when a ball is played through and your onside but it gets called off for a player that is nowhere near the ball.
13. lag! match making based on connection speed (it happened to me today 1-0 up and then bang i’m getting a frame a second and before i know it i’m 2-1 down)
14. never has a football team been awarded -43pts for a loss keep it real win = 3pts, draw = 1pt and a loss 0pts.
this is just what i can think of off the top of my head but there are many more points that make pro clubs suck at this time. i really am not optimistic about there being a great deal of improvements to pro clubs, but hey everyone will buy it either way. i think that modders will return (EA said themselves they’ve fixed the problems so if they haven’t changed the way a VP is created then the modders will be rife because it’s the same system that let them mod in 11 and winning a game with skill and teamwork is too hard for them).
so true, especially with the points, my club has nearly 7000 points and when we draw we get nothing, a win is like 5 points and a loss IS -50 POINTS, WTF, GET GOOD FIFA!
Number 3 is a fantastic idea!!! I’d like to add to that that if they quit and the comp starts to play as them then it turns it onto professional difficulty and the team that quit have a 10 minutes ban for quitting.
Offisde recognition is also a great idea and lag, well need I say more..
Fifa 11 clubs was the worst ever, it gives the opportunity for rubbish players to be as good as the great players with virtual pros, GO BACK TO 2009 CLUBS, fifa have ruined clubs.
The computer needs to better aswell, they have no brains, ive seen 6 year olds know how to defend better e.g. fast players can jog past the CPU down the wing, FML!
Fifa needs to go back to 09, it gives a betterm variety of players rather being stuck with one pro, FIfa have only done clubs like this to only get more people who have no idea about football to play the game, keep virtual pros but only for manager modes and stuff like that, FIFA WILL RUIN CLUBS AGAIN FOR 2012, SHAME!
I think you should just make a seperate game for FIFA and FIFA Virtual Pro, so there can be more features included on Virtual Pro.
I play pro clubs with my friends and we do not use any. We only have 5 people and the whole point of this game mode is to use your pro. I see alot of people complaining that people who dont use any have an advantage and that is ridiculous.
We dont rely on the computer because you CAN’T rely on the computer. They are slow both mentally and physically. half the time you call for the ball they try a little a trick and lose it or pass straight to the opposition. They let people jog past them instead of sticking a leg out and tackling them. The goalkeeper is a retard. No more need be said on thew goalkeeper really as someone has already commented on how stupid they are.
We think teams with any have an advantage over us because the AI is terrible. We can play some great football between the 5 of us and be winning and then the computer will fluff up and then we will be losing. Games end up 5-4 6-5 etc all because the computer are crap.
Even if you do play 5 at the back and ultra defensive they are still soooo easy to get past and score against.
However saying all this we never back out of a match no matter what. If we lose 9-3 then we lose 9-3. You still lose points if you lose so whats the point in quitting?
All in all i think playing without any is a huge disadvantage. And me and my friends all agree as do many others… if you want to use any and not nplay AI then go play head to head – thats what it is there for.
i agree with aidan pro clubs isnt made for playing with any its made for playin 11vs11 its pointless making a point about ultra defensive tactics and using Ai pllayers cos at the end of the day it wasnt made for controlling any… in my opinion any should be taken off because then everyone would have to play the same regardless of the number of players on their team etc… i have no complaints or thoughts until i sit down first thing friday an play the official game….
one thing that would be straight is fixing the leaderboards for the virtual pro’s i am a goalie and am rated 400th in the world when the number one goalie has less games more goals conceded and less games and clean sheets and a lower save percentage
dc everygame….only in clubs…FIX THAT!!
EA needs to implement an online multiplayer career mode where 2 (or more) players can play on the same team with their VP’s. This would be the best change I think as people could then stop complaining about playing people that use or don’t use an any b/c they would be playing only computers and they could update their teams AI by the natural recruiting of FIFA and not have to even worry about UT.
One problem with the fifa 12 that ive been having is that in pro clubs we keep playing with teams at 5k and we have only started playing. Also the computer players on the other team are much faster and skilled than ours as well.
hello does anyone know whats wrong with my fifa 12 when i want to join a pro club and i click on my player hub it says gamre profile restricted how do fix it ?
Yeah you have to set your privacy settings to adult hope this helped. Can anyone answer why opposition computers pass it round like real madrid and ours give it straight to them, does it help to be a good team like barca then do barca defult. Any good tips for getting past computers. Me and my mate have just started up and won 3 cups in 24 hours but we are out of our league now and need help!!!!
my vertual pro requested to leave my club and thats the las thing i want to do. i dnt think its good that this can happen because now his form and moral will go down, thats if the club dosent sell him with out my say so. is there any thing i can do to stop my pro from having to leave please help?
fifa 12 club is decent, but still at times is really boring, some clubs cpu are running thr game passn about all way up pitch, and always predicting our passes or ill runs, and they 99% always win 50/50s, and then some teams cpu r average, n makes mistakes, where as some clubs, dont, and if you play v a team with cpu that are like spain, you dont have a chance, and tbh my club cpu are so shit they stand and watch half time and always take to long to clear or pass,
tbh i dont mind any on clubs, i just hate how easier it is for cpu players to be able to turn you, and there pasn seems 10 times better then yours,
worse thing on clubs by a mile, is LAAAAAAG and DC i dont get it, ea servers seems to get worse every year they make updates to it,
and another thing its like 1 in a 100 chance in a game you get to take long shots , cpu predict it and charge all time, or it takes to long to power it up and it gets blockd, FIFaS HAS TO MENY UNREAL BLOCKS,
and teams that use 5 at back with gk and utra are just boring,
but no matter what you do , people will always moan about games, i love club, just as times its annoying, and i know alot people are not playing it as much anymore, because to much lagg, or DC or just predictable teams playing same way, AND SOME GAMES FEEL AS IF NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO, ITS LIKE FIX THAT OTHER TEAM WINS,
CLUB needs to get slower, you hardly ever have time on ball, cpu charge you from outter no where, or u try n move in space they predict it and push you off ball, never a foul, but you push cpu off ball its a foul,
and lst thing, attacking speed it unreal, you push ball infront of you and sprint, cpu catches up with seconds and pushes you off, no way, if ronaldo go infront of lets say john terry, never catch up in a million years,
AND 1 THING THAT I KNOW PISSES ALOT PEOPLE OFF, YOU SEE THE SAME GOALS ALL TIME, FINESE FROM OUTSIDE BOX TO AN ANGLE INTO TOP CORNER, CORNER ARE TO HARD TO SCORE FROM, 1 IN MILLION CHANCE U GET TO SCORE A SCREAMER, CLUB NEEDS TO MIX UP WAY YOU CAN SCORE, INSTEAD SAME KINDA GOALS, THAT BORES PEOPLE,
YOU NEED TO MAKE A CM POSTION, AS WELL AS THE CAM AND CDM, CUZ PICK CAM WAK HEADERING N ALL THAT GOOD SHOOTING, CDM WAK ATTACKING GD DEFENCE, CM HAVE HALF EACH, LIKE A XAVI KINDA ROLE
THATS ALL PEACE
AND BTW, IT BE THE BEST UPGRADE OUTTA THEM ALL, IF YOU LET US MAKE OUR ON KIT AND BADGE, N PICK OUR OWN NUMBERS, AND YOU NEED TO GET MORE NAME ON THERE, HALF 1S I LIKE NEVER ON ,
hi
can i use my creation center team as a base for pro club?
or how can i have my own logo on pro club?
Looking for team to join on pro clubs 82 striker or 87 gk inbox me if you want me to join you club xbox 360
i want people to join my new pro club, any tips and any of you on here want to join?
Have you checked out The FVPA at http://fvpa.co.uk? They’re the biggest Pro Clubs community in the UK and have dedicated areas specifically for Clubs recruitment and free agents.
Me and my club have a problem! We are stuck on level 14! Every time the team level bar goes up to the end of level 14 after a match, it just resets back to the start of level 14! This has happened twice now. PLEASE HELP! WE DON’T WANT TO BE STUCK ON LEVEL 14!! :O
In Pro club, when i go to edit my players name, he has the right last name, but when I go to play a game in Pro Club, the game changes his name to a random last name, is there any way to change this?
I was wondering where I should go, where the best place is to find myself a club to play for?
I would appreciate some help. If not, is anyone in need of a flexible player for their club. If so, please add weemangoodie…. On PS3 only.
Thanks
Try http://fvpa.co.uk. They’ve got quite a big PS3 community with some top clubs.
Could someone please tell me what the star ratings mean for the club? Does if mean when you get to a 5 star team the CPU are better???
Me and my mates have been FIFA Pro Club fans since FIFA 10, we really love it. Improvements we would like to see are:
– Reintroduce downloading club member gamefaces!
– Introduce non-random ANY players (if possible), so that one could get attached to the any players instead of them being random. If possible even customize the ANY players.
– Reintroduce showing the pants at pro club match kit select, so one could better judge which kit to pick.
– Making it possible to save memorable goals within the pro club screen functionality, so all club members could watch back those moments.
Big plus for FIFA 12 pro clubs already is the fact that there’s little to no lags or disconnects during matcups, and the finding of opponents goes really smoothly. Thumbs up!
I’m wondering how important pro clubs is to EA Sports when compared to other functionality. I’m sure it is less popular still than the head to head stuff, but for me and my mates it’s by far the nicest thing about FIFA, and we’re hoping it will get more attention as the game develops :)
Just want to say that the computer as any is absolutely unreal. You really need to lower the difficulty of them otherwise its a waste of time even playing clubs cause its a shambles. Lower the computer difficulty rating or make it so that somebody needs to be any instead of just pressing A to get it straight to your feet. Its far to hard to play the computer and needs to be changed for it to be a better game.
Everyone who complains about computer players should just quit the game. It is already set to professional difficulty. What more you want. Practice or find people who know how to play.
there should be no(any) choice… if you cant create a team that’s your problem .
people shouldn’t be on the pitch looking like a tango doll .
and the first 5 minutes of a game gives you chance to quit .. what a joke
i think clubs should be played 2 games max a week not unlimited..cuz now it gives new players no hope of feeling cup glory
you should have substitute defaults for in game. with defaults getting better as the the team gets better matching teams against similar quality.
i could go on and on about what could be better
I hate the 5 minute rule too, but to be honest no one really goes on the attack before the 5 mins. My club just keep possesion of the ball until the 5 min mark has been passed.
I disagree with only having the ability to play 2 games a week. I hate playing career mode, because I cant play with my friends, and I hate playing ranked matches cause everyone picks midfielder/attacker positions. Pro clubs is the only way I can still play with friends and my pro at the same time, and I dont want to play only 2 games a week.
Playing as any sucks, because you can do that already in other features, like head to head. Pro club should be for just playing with one character a person, you’re own character. People who are complaining that AI defending teams have an advantage are talking crap! They rather run past 3/4 defenders and score…..go back to arcade if you’re into that. You can definately outplay the AI defenders by combinations….but perhaps they lack those skills…
What I really wish they would improve is being able to enlist yourself to like 5 different clubs, so you don’t have to resign and loose your stats anymore. Furthermore I would like to see less goals scored in the same way….cutting inside and hit a curlbal in the far corner. Really annoying….even scoring one.